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Limo Protege Location: Niagara Falls/Buffalo, New York
Registered: October 27, 2005
Posts: 161
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So I can get a better understanding of how much or little we are now being charged in our region, can you chime in here and let me know what your annual or daily airport access fee is? Our fee went from $52 per year last year to my renewal of $652 per year. Yes, a $600 increase.
Why was the RIDE act passed??? I am a little miffed over this. I am sure I will get over it but I just got my bill in the mail for renewal today. We have a limo lot that is not even restricted at BUF so we get regular people pulling in every so often and/or taxis that dont have airport tags. Tell me if Buffalo is cheap or expensive. Thanks. Jim |
Limo God Location: Spring Hill Florida
Registered: August 17, 2004
Posts: 2742
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( C ) is providing such service pursuant to a contract for-- ( i ) transportation by the motor carrier from one State, including intermediate stops, to a destination in another State; or ( ii ) transportation by the motor carrier from one State, including intermediate stops in another State, to a destination in the original State. So the answer is yes (unfortunately), the transport must cross State lines for the motor carrier to fall under this exemption. "Suing Tampa Limo Regulator In Federal Court For The Right To Use Fuel Efficient Vehicles & Violations Of Federal & State Preemptions. What Has Your National Or Local Assoc. Done For You Lately? " Visit www.thefita.com |
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Limo God Location: Baton Rouge, LA USA
Registered: October 16, 2000
Posts: 1674
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Does the trip have to leave the state or does the passenger have to leave or arrive from a different state for this to be considered interstate? Wade Randolph |
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Limo God Location: Spring Hill Florida
Registered: August 17, 2004
Posts: 2742
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim30:
What does the RIDE act consider to be "amenities" for operators. Does that mean they can charge us what they want if they give us a separate parking lot? I was reading these recent articles and I am going to enclose a copy of some of LimoDig's articles on the RIDE act with my payment.[QUOTE] ----------------------------------------- I read the Digest article & interestingly as with other articles the Industry makes claims that airports are abusing or violating the RIDE act. If this was the case, it could of been settled moons ago with a trip into federal court under a declaratory action. The RIDE Act falls under the various federal preemptions contained under Title 49 ss 14501 that also preempts state economic regulation of charter bus transportation and transporters of property (including tow trucks). The NLA & TLPA in true incompetence plus a little chicken shit of the NLA kissing the Taxiheads asses, blew the writing of the RIDE Act on the 1st go-around & therefore it is only applicable to INTERSTATE transportation & not INTRASTATE as many are led to believe. The preemptions of charter buses and movers of property have been upheld on numerous occasions by federal circuits & in Feb 08 the US Supreme Court denied the State of Maine's appeal concerning regulating cargo (tobacco). So, if there is in fact violations of the RIDE Act occuring then some limo big shots should do what 3 of us small fry's are doing, take it before a federal judge. If they don't have a case, stop misleading the issues by printing that airports are violating the Act. As I predicted awhile ago on another thread, the airports are not just going to lay down & allow the Mighty NLA to lobby for an amendment to the law that will result in the loss of millions in revenue. The American Association of Airport Executives (AAAE) have taken notice & are going to fight the changes to the law tooth & nail. "Suing Tampa Limo Regulator In Federal Court For The Right To Use Fuel Efficient Vehicles & Violations Of Federal & State Preemptions. What Has Your National Or Local Assoc. Done For You Lately? " Visit www.thefita.com |
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Limo Protege Location: Niagara Falls/Buffalo, New York
Registered: October 27, 2005
Posts: 161
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What does the RIDE act consider to be "amenities" for operators. Does that mean they can charge us what they want if they give us a separate parking lot? I was reading these recent articles and I am going to enclose a copy of some of LimoDig's articles on the RIDE act with my payment.
Jim |
Limo Master Location: pa
Registered: November 19, 2001
Posts: 402
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Salicete, Did you call PHL and get the info??? |
Limo Master Location: Olney, Maryland - USA
Registered: January 18, 2007
Posts: 752
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Joel, I don't think the Association was leading me astray, I may have just been mistaken about the numbers.
At any rate, thanks for the info, we will call the AVI Center monday morning. Thanks! GP |
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Limo Master Location: pa
Registered: November 19, 2001
Posts: 402
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I'll have to dig out the email that was sent to our association from the Airport authorities in PA, but my recollection is that there was a $125.00 fee per car to have the transponders installed, and that drop off fees were more along the lines of $20 per trip for stretches. If I am mistaken and the fee strusture is as you say, then it deserves a rethink. Thanks for the info, GP At any rate, I stay busy with the 3 major airports in my backyard these days.[[/QUOTE] Sal, Forget the email & association propaganda. Call PHL ground transportation AVI customer care yourself and get the right info, not what others want you to beleive. There are NO drop off fees & we received our transponders for no charge. But you have to take cars to PHL to have them put on the windshield. And the fee structure is $1.50 per hour for sedans, $3.00 per hour for vans and stretch limousines and mini-buses are at $8.00 per hour. These rates apply to time spent in the commercial lot (West lot). 61 minutes after you enter the commercial lot you will be charged an additional hour. The AVI center phone # is 215-937-4354. |
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Limo Master Location: Olney, Maryland - USA
Registered: January 18, 2007
Posts: 752
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I'll have to dig out the email that was sent to our association from the Airport authorities in PA, but my recollection is that there was a $125.00 fee per car to have the transponders installed, and that drop off fees were more along the lines of $20 per trip for stretches. If I am mistaken and the fee strusture is as you say, then it deserves a rethink. Thanks for the info, GP At any rate, I stay busy with the 3 major airports in my backyard these days. |
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Limo Master Location: pa
Registered: November 19, 2001
Posts: 402
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The fees at Philadelphia PHL are not ridiculous at all. The fee structure is $1.50 per hour for sedans, $3.00 per hour for vans and stretch limousines and mini-buses are at $8.00 per hour. These rates apply to time spent in the commercial lot (West lot). 61 minutes after you enter the commercial lot you will be charged an additional hour. There is no charge for drop offs, and you can leave your car in the lot and go into the terminal to pick up your passengers. One hour airport parking for a sedan at $1.50 is not bad at all. The transponder system is not yet in full operation, they were issued free of charge, and eventually you will pay your account in advance as you do with EZ Pass. If you are farming out jobs because of a $1.50 or $3.00 airport fee how are you going to handle $5-6 per gallon for gasoline?? Aiport parking fees are passed on to the customer so it is not even a fee you pay without reimbursement. |
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Limo God Location: Spring Hill Florida
Registered: August 17, 2004
Posts: 2742
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When Tampa International decided to add another layer of economic regulation that must be passed onto the consumer, I simply looked up who sat on this board that made this decision. Low and behold, members of this board are Tampa business people. Hell, I dedicated a page highlighting these Tampa business people as one's who raise transportation costs for travelers. Now when someone plugs in Ken Anthony Insurance Agency, in the search results is the good ole FITA site & based on the keyword search stats to reach this page, some know of Ken Anthony's actions.
Now if all the bellyaching sheep applied the same tactic in the Tampa area, hell, maybe a search for Ken Anthony Insurance would yield a hundred such links. Any board that sits leaders of the business community who enact economic regulatory on another business class should be dealt in the same mannerism. And always make it a consumer issue as ultimately they are the one's paying for the sinister deeds of these crooks. There is no better advertising than that of consumer protectionism. Jim, suggestion, why don't you re-title this thread to, "Buffalo Airport Socking It To Travelers" or something like that so the search engines pickup the revelance. "Suing Tampa Limo Regulator In Federal Court For The Right To Use Fuel Efficient Vehicles & Violations Of Federal & State Preemptions. What Has Your National Or Local Assoc. Done For You Lately? " Visit www.thefita.com |
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SINCE 1976 Location: Metairie, Louisiana 70055
Registered: August 31, 2000
Posts: 3744
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The AGTA ( www.agtaweb.com ) compiles a report on airport fees nationally . Although you have to be a member to receive the report I am sure they would be helpful if you just had a few questions.
Dean Schuler |
Limo Protege Location: Chicagoland Suburbs
Registered: May 19, 2008
Posts: 133
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WEll if you don't have to pay every time to pick-up at airport, and the $652 is all you have to pay for the year, that's a good price---compared to here (Chicago). Like cedarmill said, we pay $2 for a MPEA stamp which allow's to pick-up. It is very controlled here, having a seperate road for limos/taxi's so they collect stamp at a booth from every vehicle. So if I just picked up 1 customer a day, that would cost me 365 X 2 = $730 / yr. Let's say my average was 6 trip's/day picking up from airport would be $4,380 / yr. !!!
A true leader seeks the leader in others |
Limo Protege Location: Crown Point, Indiana
Registered: May 02, 2008
Posts: 102
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Chicago's (Midway and O'Hare) are $2 per Arrival, nothing for Departures. As far as I know, that is it. Of course, if you don't watch out for the crazy taxis it could cost a lot more.
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Limo Master Location: Olney, Maryland - USA
Registered: January 18, 2007
Posts: 752
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Yes and no. I get requests, but when I quote what I have to charge to make the trip profitable, I usually lose the work, whereas if I farm the job to a company that is located closer to Philly, I get a cut. Most of the requests I get are from people who live in the northern counties, very close to the PA line. I, on the other hand, am located in south-central Maryland. My costs associated with just getting to those pick-up points were borderline prohibitive to begin with, and the exorbitant airport fees just made it a no-go. Yes, you are absolutely correct, the client should absorb those fees, but tacking those fees onto what I already had to charge to make those trips profitable would have made my rates so high that I would be unable to compete in an already crowded market. I don’t have big name recognition yet; I run a small shop, and I have to not only provide top –notch service, but also competitive prices to make it in this area. There are lots of shops much closer that can beat my prices and still cut a wider margin for themselves, so I farm those jobs. The work they send me for BWI, National and Dulles, for the same reasons that I farm Philadelphia jobs to them, levels the playing field. |
GRAND MASTER LUFF / Part Time Bartender Location: Bakersfield, CA 93307
Registered: April 28, 2001
Posts: 1688
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I have to share......
About one year ago, the directors of LAX attended our association meeting. Their plan was to inform us of upcoming "betterment" changes that were planned. This included elimination of the human toll booth in favor of an automated machine to give you a trip permit (required for each trip into the airport). It would make it "faster". They were going to resurface the parking lot and add real bathrooms instead of the disgusting 20 year old porta-potties. They had a beautiful Power Point presentation. As they concluded their explanations of "betterments", Nissam Katzin of AAA Limousines shouted out...... "Here it comes.....better get out the Vaseline as we are about to get F*#ked!". The director began to explain that X number of livery vehicles use the lot every day. At a cost of 1.2 million for improvements, they must collect $X.XX each trip for one year to pay for these improvements. The room went wild! They were bombarded with the fact that for years we paid $1.50 per trip and then it doubled to $3.00 with absolutely no enhancements. Everyone was asking what have you done with the money you have been collecting. People were doing math on their cell phones based on the information about usage shared by LAX officials. We figured on an average day they are collecting $9000 or 3.3 million a year. For what? Still have not figured that out yet. |
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Limo Protege Location: Niagara Falls/Buffalo, New York
Registered: October 27, 2005
Posts: 161
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Sal that is the excuse they are using in Buffalo. They are going to "gate off" the limo lot and make it better. In the meantime we have general public sneaking in the lot because it is only patrolled sporadically by the transit police, hotel and rental car shuttles taking up 3/4 of limo lot spaces..the bs goes on. We'll see about these so called upgrades. This is interesting, please keep it coming.
Jim |
Limo God Location: Serving All Major Cities in Texas
Registered: September 03, 2002
Posts: 1691
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Sal, that comment makes absolutely no sense:
Airport fees are a complete pass on to the customer. They do not impact profit at all. You should not be absorbing that cost. If a run is not profitable then it must be because your base price or fuel charge is too low. Now, whether or not they impact the overall price and thus the customer willingness to take the ride is another matter, but for the most part luxury car service customers accept this fee as part of the service. Heck, even taxis start out of the gate at most airport pickups with a airport fee built in. We add on $2.50 for airport trips (PU and DO) to cover cost of $2.50 pickup fees and the annual airport stickers, so even our airport permits are paid for by our method. Tony Franzetti Marriton Limousine, Austin, TX   |
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Limo Master Location: Olney, Maryland - USA
Registered: January 18, 2007
Posts: 752
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I am sure they will start charging us, especially since they are talking about adding CMV parking lots, for-hire driver's waiting areas and bathrooms.
Once they start offering a specific service for for-hire vehicles, my understanding is that they can charge reasonable fees for those accommodations. Of course their definition of reasonable and ours may differ. I don't service the airport in Philadelphia with my cars, though I get many drop-off requests, because they require transponders that they install, for a fee, and then impose ridiculous per-trip fees. Even with a decent number of requests, the money just isn’t there to make the runs profitable; I just farm them out and get my cut that way. |
www.birminghamlimo.com Location: ohio
Registered: August 02, 2004
Posts: 407
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Puleeez dont get me started on crooked airports and violations of laws.
The bigger problem is , we do not have an association that truly cars about national issues and only puts its resources into regional areas that they owe favor to or get something from. The RIDE act is laughed at by all airports in the US. Yours may not be screwing you yet , but take my word , it will happen. All they do is cry 911 - national security , blah blah blah. My fees at DTW last year were over $ 15,000 This year it will be in excess of $ 20,000 (that's assuming they dont charge us more again) So , please send those $ 560.00 annual bills to me and I will send my $ 1750.00 monthly bill to you. |
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