The Limos.com Forum Has Moved!!!

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Wow this sounds like a big complicated legal issue on weather we should give the money to the government or the drivers, lets face it most of the money lost is coming out of the drivers pocket.

OKAY, "A BIG COMPLICATED LEGAL ISSUE ON WEATHER". WEATHER IS THE ATMOSPHERIC CONDITION SUCH AS RAIN, SNOW, WIND, TEMPERATURE, DEW POINT ETC. I DON'T THINK THEIR CAN BE A LEGAL ISSUE ON WEATHER. PERHAPS YOU MEAN "WHETHER".

WHEN YOU REFER TO "MONEY LOST" WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN? WHEN YOU SAY MOST OF THE MONEY IS COMING OUT OF THE DRIVER'S POCKET, WHAT MONEY IS THIS? AS AN EMPLOYER, I PAY SOCIAL SECURITY TAX, WORKERS COMP, STATE AND FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT ETC. AND I GUARANTEE YOU WHAT I PAY IN PAYROLL EXPENSE IS FAR GREATER THAN THE DEDUCTIONS MADE FROM THE EMPLOYEE'S CHECK. CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THIS. I AM TRYING TO LEARN.

Seems this would make it harder to get drivers if you take taxes out of there 3 and for 4 hour jobs.

I ASSUME ON THIS SENTENCE THAT YOU MEAN TAKING TAXES OUT OF "THEIR" 3 AND 4 HOUR JOBS INSTEAD OF "THERE" WHICH WOULD INDICATE A PHYSICAL LOCATION. BUT EVEN IF YOU TAKE TAXES OUT OF A 3 OR 4 HOUR JOB, THE AMOUNT IS MINUTE. THE MAJORITY OF MY DRIVERS AVERAGE 38 TO 44 HOURS A WEEK AND EVERYONE ELSE I KNOW THAT WORKS A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK PAYS TAXES. IT'S NOT REALLY A NEW CONCEPT.

In my area they are trying a new thing with the drivers, the car is rented to the customer for a set amount of hours,

SO THIS WOULD BE LIKE ENTERPRISE RENT-A-CAR RENTING A CAR BY THE DAY EXCEPT SOMEONE RENTS A LIMOUSINE FOR 4 HOURS BUT AT THE TIME THEY RENT IT, IT DOES NOT COME WITH A CHAUFFEUR. CORRECT?

the company has a listed of approved drivers that the customer can use, the drivers call the limo co. to get phone # and contacts and call the customers for details on the job,

SO IN THEORY, YOU COULD HAVE FIVE CHAUFFEURS CALL THE COMPANY TO GET THE NAMES AND PHONE NUMBERS OF WHO RENTED CARS ON FRIDAY THAT WILL NEED A DRIVER AND THE FIVE DRIVERS CALL THE CLIENT TO PITCH THEIR OWN FEES?

the drivers work for tips only and are not controlled by or paid by the limo company. all the details of the job are worked out by the driver and the customer.

IN THIS MANNER, THE CUSTOMER THEN PICKS THE DRIVER WITH THE BEST DEAL AND GOES WITH THEM. THE LIMO COMPANY MAKES MONEY BY RENTING THE CAR FOR FOR HOURS AND THE DRIVER MAKES MONEY FROM THE CUSTOMER BUT THE LIMO COMPANY CONSIDERS SUCH PAYMENTS TO BE TIPS ONLY?

Of corse this idea has not been through the courts yet, but im wondering if this is a good idea to try????

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Originally posted by Dick Hall:
Dean, Dean, Dean

Please do not remind me of any, any drinking fountain in Nevada. It brings back ghastly dreams!!!!!!!!and horrible memories!!!! Dick, I am told that there is a drinking fountain in Numeros Quibocados, New Mexico for errant Top 75 researchers....

Dick Hall (Army)

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Originally posted by David Merrill:
Jim and Dean: Having been in the Taxi business where the I.C. is the rule and not the exception, Jim you are so correct. The problem is many people fail to file the SS 8 form before setting up the I.C. operation and getting the determination from the IRS. All they need to do is file for determination BEFORE they do it and if the IRS gives their blessing then they have NO PROBLEM.

The 530 stuff applies if every one in your area of operation has a blessed I.C. operation then you are free to operate. Like I said, many Guys just do it WITH OUT the IRS blessing so to speak.

I talked to A Fedex Ground Driver just the other day from what he told me, the IRS is leaning towards the Employee scenario but it is still being fought.

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Originally posted by David Merrill:
Jim and Dean: Having been in the Taxi business where the I.C. is the rule and not the exception, Jim you are so correct. The problem is many people fail to file the SS 8 form before setting up the I.C. operation and getting the determination from the IRS. All they need to do is file for determination BEFORE they do it and if the IRS gives their blessing then they have NO PROBLEM.

The 530 stuff applies if every one in your area of operation has a blessed I.C. operation then you are free to operate. Like I said, many Guys just do it WITH OUT the IRS blessing so to speak.

I talked to A Fedex Ground Driver just the other day from what he told me, the IRS is leaning towards the Employee scenario but it is still being fought.