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Once again LCT'S yearly Biblical "Fact Book" or as described by Sara McLean, the industry's "Crystal Ball" that will help take the guesswork out of planning for your coming business year.

The Numbers Game:
US Operators are reported by LCT to be at 9,654 which is sharply lower than the projected 13-14k that Limo Digest is predicting when their research is all said & done.

The average "owned" fleet size is "12"
The average number of gallons of fuel purchased per week is 551 gallons which, when divided by average fleet size equates to 46 gallons per unit average weekly.
The average number of reservations per week is 222 with the average number of trips per week being 190 or 27 per day.
There are 22 people working for the average operator & the average operator employs 13 full time chauffeurs & 10 part timers.

Now, I'll let these numbers simmer awhile before breaking out the ole calculator.

Agreed!

The Survey Book is a more accurate name.

Most Excellent Grandmaster Luff ! Wayne's ticket is paid for if he comes. This is a serious festival.

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Originally posted by Limo Scene:
Dean,

I will call Wayne today and see if I can't
"motivate" him to come out. Then again, he will read this today as he's a lurker.

Wayne, you need to be here.

I put in an order for a van again Dean - just yesterday - to make sure we have a ride for all of us.

Dean,

I will call Wayne today and see if I can't
"motivate" him to come out. Then again, he will read this today as he's a lurker.

Wayne, you need to be here.

I put in an order for a van again Dean - just yesterday - to make sure we have a ride for all of us.

Jim, We need to talk Wayne into coming-if not then WADE needs to come.

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Originally posted by Limo Scene:
Thank you for the opportunity to share the festival with people. I am totally thrilled to hear that you are bringing my buddy Wayne.

Village Festival

Please view the tabs on the left and check out all the information on the site.

Dean, I will of course provide your transportation and get your hotel rooms and OF COURSE provide you and Wayne with All Access VIP passes as I did the last time you attended.

Limopromoter, Every market has its "screwy louie ". Just move along now boy...
Limopromoter why don't you cut the crap? You are obviously here to get your quotes picked up by the major search engines. Greenpala do you know this guy?[/QUOTE]


search engine for what???

I don't have a site

World's Greatest Salesperson as attested by the Guinness Book of World Records

What did he do?
He worked for that little company called Chevrolet ?

as far as the yellow pages
the majority of the public now use the internet as their #1 source for information
Yellow pages have fixed advertising that you may have paid for months ago.

Online they can usually be updated and filled with lots more info

I've worked in advertising and sales since the 90's

Alan[/QUOTE]

Limopromoter why don't you cut the crap? You are obviously here to get your quotes picked up by the major search engines. Greenpala do you know this guy?[/QUOTE]


search engine for what???

I don't have a site

World's Greatest Salesperson as attested by the Guinness Book of World Records

What did he do?
He worked for that little company called Chevrolet ?

as far as the yellow pages
the majority of the public now use the internet as their #1 source for information
Yellow pages have fixed advertising that you may have paid for months ago.

Online they can usually be updated and filled with lots more info

I've worked in advertising and sales since the 90's

Alan

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Limopromoter why don't you cut the crap? You are obviously here to get your quotes picked up by the major search engines. Greenpala do you know this guy?

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Thank you for the opportunity to share the festival with people. I am totally thrilled to hear that you are bringing my buddy Wayne.

Village Festival

Please view the tabs on the left and check out all the information on the site.

Dean, I will of course provide your transportation and get your hotel rooms and OF COURSE provide you and Wayne with All Access VIP passes as I did the last time you attended.

I took the high road with you because you are an exceptional operator and a friend. You are dead wrong on this post and are arguing a hopeless cause. The professional associations, Ford and Cadillac and the other vendors and the major media know for a fact that the circulation numbers LCT publishes are incorrect. Digest has certified their numbers. LCT's have been wrong for many years. As far as the Top 100 goes, every year it is full of errors. LCT is a fine magazine and has done much for the industry. They should not be the management company of the NLA and they need to let go of the School of Numbers Game. And you, my friend, deal your image and your many achievements a severe blow when you promote falsehoods. Lest the readers think that Grandmaster Luff is not a friend of mine and someone whom I hold in the highest respect, please note that I will be attending his festival in September 2008. I will also be paying Wayne Blanchard's way to the Festival. Perhaps Jim will be so kind and post the link to the festival and the charities that it benefits.



Blah, blah, blah.......

I'm sorry, I meant to say I was looking for legitimate responders not Dean's side-kick. Again, where are the numbers???? Who is WE? Answer the question Dean and quit pulling a Hillary Clinton run-around answer that says nothing.

I KNOW who Richard Ramis is. I also know who George Washington is. Niether have anything to do with the period of time we live in TODAY.

I don't need my diaper changed but I would be happy to hand you a tissue Dave - seems you have something brown on your nose from following too close behind Dean. I guess he stopped and you didn't anticipate it.

Don't be an idiot Dave, I wrote for Digest in early 2000. I was getting my FREE copy of Digest LONG before that and it continued after that. It has nothing to do with my contributions. I couldn't care less if you guys cut me off or not. And, Dave, your opinion of me is the least of my worries as I know the opinion of you by many. You had a little limo company and you couldn't keep it going. You have had job after job trying to keep yourself in the business but really you are merely on the sidelines looking in. I mean, if you are so good.... what happened at Executive? What happened at The Wynn? What happened with the concierge/meeting planner job, what happened to your little business of selling hats and umbrellas? I have been doing the same thing, year after year with success and you, you can't succeed at anything you try but yet you so desperately want to stay a part of the industry that you volunteer to contribute articles to digest.

As I said, here we go! The gloves are off and I am not holding back. PUT UP THE NUMBERS! SHOW ME THE NUMBERS! For the record, I don't give a rat's ass about them but for the love of God we need to put this subject to rest. You want to ask me about having my diaper changed?
Look out cause I am just getting started. I have had quite enough being kicked around. It's personal now.

I run a profitable limousine business that has been on the grow since the day we opened the doors. I write for a magazine because they pay me well to share how we took a one car company in Bakersfield, CA and grew it to more than a million dollar a year business in Bakersfield, California. If you don't like me, so be it. I have enough friends I don't care but don't bash me just because I asked for the numbers to be posted here and that we quit hearing about 25 year old data. I don't deserve that for merely asking for proof.[/QUOTE]

Just another year of LCT putting those Factual Stats together!

And The Number Of Operators For New Yawk Is

Jim,

Your agenda consist of denial and character assassinations. I suggest we deal with facts. Review your complementary Limousine Digest Industry guide for the facts.

David Hartson
Limousine Digest
West Coast Editor

Blah, blah, blah.......

I'm sorry, I meant to say I was looking for legitimate responders not Dean's side-kick. Again, where are the numbers???? Who is WE? Answer the question Dean and quit pulling a Hillary Clinton run-around answer that says nothing.

I KNOW who Richard Ramis is. I also know who George Washington is. Niether have anything to do with the period of time we live in TODAY.

I don't need my diaper changed but I would be happy to hand you a tissue Dave - seems you have something brown on your nose from following too close behind Dean. I guess he stopped and you didn't anticipate it.

Don't be an idiot Dave, I wrote for Digest in early 2000. I was getting my FREE copy of Digest LONG before that and it continued after that. It has nothing to do with my contributions. I couldn't care less if you guys cut me off or not. And, Dave, your opinion of me is the least of my worries as I know the opinion of you by many. You had a little limo company and you couldn't keep it going. You have had job after job trying to keep yourself in the business but really you are merely on the sidelines looking in. I mean, if you are so good.... what happened at Executive? What happened at The Wynn? What happened with the concierge/meeting planner job, what happened to your little business of selling hats and umbrellas? I have been doing the same thing, year after year with success and you, you can't succeed at anything you try but yet you so desperately want to stay a part of the industry that you volunteer to contribute articles to digest.

As I said, here we go! The gloves are off and I am not holding back. PUT UP THE NUMBERS! SHOW ME THE NUMBERS! For the record, I don't give a rat's ass about them but for the love of God we need to put this subject to rest. You want to ask me about having my diaper changed?
Look out cause I am just getting started. I have had quite enough being kicked around. It's personal now.

I run a profitable limousine business that has been on the grow since the day we opened the doors. I write for a magazine because they pay me well to share how we took a one car company in Bakersfield, CA and grew it to more than a million dollar a year business in Bakersfield, California. If you don't like me, so be it. I have enough friends I don't care but don't bash me just because I asked for the numbers to be posted here and that we quit hearing about 25 year old data. I don't deserve that for merely asking for proof.

Jim, Dude! Does you diaper needs to be changed? Take a pill and relax! Take your blood pressure ….don’t have an aneurism.
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Quote: Limo Scene
I mean, we all know that no one has to pay for Digest as they send it to everyone for free. Only boneheads actually pay for it. I have received it month after month for 18 years and never ONCE paid a dime to them. So, are you saying that you counted operators to know how many free copies to print for circulation purposes?
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First, you are receiving a complementary copy of the Limousine Digest Magazine because of your past contributions to the publication. It seems to me that your appreciation for the magazine has no value to you. Your statement about it being free is not true. You should not assume something that is not fact. You know Dean or myself can fix your complementary copy and can be stopped if you wish.

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Quote: Limo Scene
You boo hoo about it every year but never get off your ass to do a CURRENT research project to prove anything except resting on some count you did a quarter of a century ago and spouting on the forum after too much Johnny Walker or Chevis!
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Someone’s consumption of a beverage? What are you thinking! This statement lacks class (NONE)

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Quote: Limo Scene
Today the industry leaders are the likes of Scott Solombrino, Tommy Mazza, Dawson Rutter, Richard Kane and George Jacobs
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Very few operators will ever become the size of these operations. You can not judge this Industry simply on these few large Operators. With no disrespect for any of these people, I and I know them well and call them my friends, if this is the way you see it, then this would mean you are a pollywog in the Industry as we know it!

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Quote: Limo Scene
Let's pay attention to what people in the business today are saying. No one cares how things were 25 years ago!
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You need to know your History to know where you came from is to know where you are going! Maybe you should ask around the LCT to find out who Richard Ramis is!
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Quote: Limo Scene
All talk - no action!

SHOW US YOUR RESULTS STATE BY STATE
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Jim, you know better than this! Dean spends many hours researching the numbers from states and has the facts. You don’t do this, so how would you know?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Limo Scene:
Today the industry leaders are the likes of Scott Solombrino, Tommy Mazza, Dawson Rutter, Richard Kane and George Jacobs. ......../QUOTE]

What % of the folks on these Boards have ever heard of these people no less the estimated 10-15k operators in the Nation. We have some of these so called leaders of the limo industry operating within a very narrow scope whose business survival relies on the birds flying, 1 who makes a living running seminars (those who are good at their profession - do, those who aren't good - teach), & a glorified taxi baron is included.

If Leadership of this Industry is graded upon influencing others to join forces & fight for common goals, the Leadership rates a big fat "F". For an Industry that strokes itself on being the conveyers of the rich, famous & powerful elite, it sure as hell is inept regardless of how much self esteem stroking they want to do.

As I stated before, bitching about the inaction of the NLA is about as much fun as kicking a dead dog around lately.

No Legitimate Accomplishments

The May Publishers Page Limousine Digest spells it all out . Your hand is non-existent in this game and you don't flatter yourself by acting like a total fool.

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Originally posted by Limo Scene:
So Dean,

Define "We" - who is this "we" that "mapped the circulation" and what the hell does that mean?

Are we talking about counting operators to know how many magazines to print to make sure everyone has their own copy of an industry magazine?

I mean, we all know that no one has to pay for Digest as they send it to everyone for free. Only boneheads actually pay for it. I have received it month after month for 18 years and never ONCE paid a dime to them. So, are you saying that you counted operators to know how many free copies to print for circulation purposes?

And where are your numbers that "WE" put together over a decade ago. I seriously doubt anything you counted years ago would have ANY relevance TODAY. Do you remember 9/11 Dean? Do you remember what it did to the industry. Many, many operators went belly up. How about Katrina? A little closer to home for you. How many operators never came back? You get my point? Times changes. Move with it!

Your old school numbers flew right out the window dude when the industry rolled over and played dead for nearly a year.

I have been on this forum since 2001 or seven years and while you have always argued about the numbers, not once in nearly a decade have you dispelled anything or any fact about the count. You boo hoo about it every year but never get off your ass to do a CURRENT research project to prove anything except resting on some count you did a quarter of a century ago and spouting on the forum after too much Johnny Walker or Chevis!

There is no way you could have possibly counted every single limousine company in the last decade. Perhaps in the 70's when you did your little count that was possible but I stand by the fact that it cannot be done today as an exact count. We are in a recession and I guarantee you someone will close their doors this week.

It is now time to put up or finally shut up about this subject that you have worn out like a well played fiddle. Show your results you spew about TODAY. Show how you researched it in the last two years because any results beyond two years doesn't matter today and is not even close to accurate.

All talk - no action!

SHOW US YOUR RESULTS STATE BY STATE.

Speaking of Richard Ramis, has ANYONE on this forum ever heard of him? Ever see him at a trade show? Ever hear him speak to the industry at a trade show?

I am looking for simply yes or no answers from the members of this forum on this question about Richard Ramis.

Right.........I believe at some point in life we all become a "has been".

Today the industry leaders are the likes of Scott Solombrino, Tommy Mazza, Dawson Rutter, Richard Kane and George Jacobs. This is not to say that I support all of these men or even believe in these men but it is what it is and they are who they are and they are all doing better than you and I so I consider them to be leaders as I sure want to follow in their footsteps and have over 100 vehicles and have multi-million dollar revenues instead just one million.

Let's pay attention to what people in the business today are saying. No one cares how things were 25 years ago! Thanks for the blood pressure boost on a Monday morning.......

Here we go....................

So Dean,

Define "We" - who is this "we" that "mapped the circulation" and what the hell does that mean?

Are we talking about counting operators to know how many magazines to print to make sure everyone has their own copy of an industry magazine?

I mean, we all know that no one has to pay for Digest as they send it to everyone for free. Only boneheads actually pay for it. I have received it month after month for 18 years and never ONCE paid a dime to them. So, are you saying that you counted operators to know how many free copies to print for circulation purposes?

And where are your numbers that "WE" put together over a decade ago. I seriously doubt anything you counted years ago would have ANY relevance TODAY. Do you remember 9/11 Dean? Do you remember what it did to the industry. Many, many operators went belly up. How about Katrina? A little closer to home for you. How many operators never came back? You get my point? Times changes. Move with it!

Your old school numbers flew right out the window dude when the industry rolled over and played dead for nearly a year.

I have been on this forum since 2001 or seven years and while you have always argued about the numbers, not once in nearly a decade have you dispelled anything or any fact about the count. You boo hoo about it every year but never get off your ass to do a CURRENT research project to prove anything except resting on some count you did a quarter of a century ago and spouting on the forum after too much Johnny Walker or Chevis!

There is no way you could have possibly counted every single limousine company in the last decade. Perhaps in the 70's when you did your little count that was possible but I stand by the fact that it cannot be done today as an exact count. We are in a recession and I guarantee you someone will close their doors this week.

It is now time to put up or finally shut up about this subject that you have worn out like a well played fiddle. Show your results you spew about TODAY. Show how you researched it in the last two years because any results beyond two years doesn't matter today and is not even close to accurate.

All talk - no action!

SHOW US YOUR RESULTS STATE BY STATE.

Speaking of Richard Ramis, has ANYONE on this forum ever heard of him? Ever see him at a trade show? Ever hear him speak to the industry at a trade show?

I am looking for simply yes or no answers from the members of this forum on this question about Richard Ramis.

Right.........I believe at some point in life we all become a "has been".

Today the industry leaders are the likes of Scott Solombrino, Tommy Mazza, Dawson Rutter, Richard Kane and George Jacobs. This is not to say that I support all of these men or even believe in these men but it is what it is and they are who they are and they are all doing better than you and I so I consider them to be leaders as I sure want to follow in their footsteps and have over 100 vehicles and have multi-million dollar revenues instead just one million.

Let's pay attention to what people in the business today are saying. No one cares how things were 25 years ago! Thanks for the blood pressure boost on a Monday morning.......

Here we go....................

Luff speaks nonsense. We mapped the industry long ago for optimal circulation accuracy. My first love LCT-has been producing hackwork numbers for years in the opinion of the vendors and industry researchers and myself-and I am along with RICHARD RAMIS, the ranking chauffeured transportation trade researcher. This is very hard to say as I admire the BOBITS & their personnel greatly for their industry contributions.

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Originally posted by Limo Insurance King:

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Originally posted by Limo Scene:
Even then, the number would not be definitive because the project could not be completed in a single day and there are a handful of states that have no regulatory authority over limousines so those companies would just not be counted.

The Democrats did this and they didn't have much trouble doing it.

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quote:

Originally posted by Limo Scene:
Even then, the number would not be definitive because the project could not be completed in a single day and there are a handful of states that have no regulatory authority over limousines so those companies would just not be counted.

The Democrats did this and they didn't have much trouble doing it.