The Limos.com Forum Has Moved!!!

I assume that everyone has received their copy of Limoscene which boasts about the generous donation of $10,000 to a library. Where does NLA get that money? US! I am outraged by this. If someone wants to help a library, Bantam Books might be a good choice. Can someone Pleazzzzzze tell me how this benefitted the limousine industry? I can tell you it did nothing for me in Bakersfield, California! But, consider this, I spent $500 on production of a 30 second TV spot last month. It costs me roughly $35 to $52 per commercial on the air. Let's call that an average price of $45 per spot aired. $10,000 less $500 = $9,500 available for buying air time. That is 211 commercials or being on the air 7 times a day, every single day for a month! Another scenario:
NLA produces commercial with dazzling effects, on location filming, in-car cameras etc. and pays $1500. With $8500 left over, makes duplicates (known as dubs) for .67 each and mails them to members for .55 postage and $1 for an envelope. Total cost $2.22. That is 3,829 members served. Members take dub to local TV stations and buy their own time and add a "tag" to the end of the commercial which contains their own logo and a voiceover which say's something like: "Limousine Scene, a National Limousine Association Member serving the greater Bakersfield area". That friends is how you spend $10,000 of our money to benefit our industry. I know this post is going to make Tommy mad at me again but geeeeeeez....$10,000 on a freakin' library. What the hell? It could have at least been an airport, a concert venue or something that relates to our business.

Distain or not, that was 25 years of my life-she made me when I was young. So be it... Let's roll this National Advertising project now-count on my support. We, the members of the Industry matter and we can do it !!!!!!!! We do not need to accept the "guidence" of the used car salesmen of the Industry. They don't know-and never will... Let's do it, people !!!!!!!!

Dean Schuler

Dean,
Sorry to hear about your loss. Even though I know your disdain for the ex, death is never easy to deal with where children are involved. I will contact the production people who do our race commercials and find out what it will take to shoot this thing. It isn't going to take much to make a master and send it to those who want to buy ad time in their own markets. I will start a new thread under marketing about my ideas for the spot, shortly.

Luff, Let's do the ad. How much money do I need to send you ? From your post, it shouldn't be much. It is important for the PROS to stand up and take control of the Industry. Let's move now and make changes on how we are perceived in this world. We don't need the magazines or the associations to make significant CHANGE. Sorry I have been off line-my ex-wife passed and I have been dealing with that issue and the children.

Dean Schuler

I can send spots under that format but remember Michael I also run a NASCAR track and every week is a new race and a new publicity stunt. That is the industry in which I made the spot. AND, there is not a dingle business day during race season that I don't buy, shoot, write or design advertising in print, radio and TV. If you still want my clip, I would be thrilled to send it to you direct but feel that it would be inappropriate posted here. I had another one produced yesterday and they send the "spec spots" to me under that format. It was a30 second promoting an event I have coming up in two weeks. It cost $350 to make!!!! It's not nearly as much money as some would have you believe AND if a TV station thinks they are going to get to run the spot, they will produce it for FREE for you if you buy a large enough schedule. That, in my market is about $2500.

p.s. - JHJ, you sent me to bed last night rolling in laughter! That was true JHJ style. Michael, don't get your feathers ruffled by the resident source of contention. You do an excellent job!

Luff,

By chance could you convert your commercial to WMV and post it here? What format is it in? VHS? Digital?

I would like to see it as I am sure others would too.

Michael

Yea I forgot, my success is predicated on LCT publishing an informative article that I write once every 6 years. I totally forgot.

Oh and by the way, they published an article for me way back in 1997. I don't think you were in the business then. So actually, my "breakthrough" actually occured more than 6 years ago. Your facts aren't entirely accurate.

Excuse me while I maintain my bias and prejudice so I can have my next article published in 2009.

I think you did a Lawrence Welk around the issue, Michael. I said, "your breakthrough as an author for LCT is showing through." I didn't say your membership in NLA, or your conversation with anyone at NLA or LCT. Do I recall correctly that LCT did give publication to an article by you? If not (and I should have checked), then accept my apology for the error and the assumption based thereon. Otherwise, my comment stands.

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Originally posted by Viperion Corporation / Limos.com:
I haven't had a conversation/correspondence with an LCT/NLA person in months. So to say I am bias is funny, to say the least. This isn't high school. Talk about fraud, incompetence, et. al all you want. Someone's competency or ability to commit fraud is exclusive of their personal characteristics.

In fact, the last business-dealings Ive had with a magazine was with LimoDigest. We have ads running in their magazine.

Bias? Now thats entertaining. Last I checked I wasn't an NLA member, nor on the LCT payroll.

As for Flamenco -- yea, I know what it is ... but still never heard of the Greco fellow. To much time in front of the computer perhaps...

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James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

I haven't had a conversation/correspondence with an LCT/NLA person in months. So to say I am bias is funny, to say the least. This isn't high school. Talk about fraud, incompetence, et. al all you want. Someone's competency or ability to commit fraud is exclusive of their personal characteristics.

In fact, the last business-dealings Ive had with a magazine was with LimoDigest. We have ads running in their magazine.

Bias? Now thats entertaining. Last I checked I wasn't an NLA member, nor on the LCT payroll.

As for Flamenco -- yea, I know what it is ... but still never heard of the Greco fellow. To much time in front of the computer perhaps...

He's Jose Greco II's father, too.

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Originally posted by Dick Hall:
Thats Mrs. Greco's little boy!

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James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

Jose Greco died in 2001. He was acknowledged as the world's most famous flamenco dancer. He was very tall for a dancer (well over six feet) and he had great power.

Now if you live in Phoenix, don't ask what a flamenco dancer is.

No need to apologize, you knew what A, B and C pillars are - how many other people in this industry do you think know?

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Originally posted by Viperion Corporation / Limos.com:
Excuse me for any ignorance, but who is Jose Greco?

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James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

Thats Mrs. Greco's little boy!

OK, we'll stick with stuff like dishonesty, fraud, incompetence and unlawful conduct, so that nobody in this industry will be offended, like they surely would be if it was implied that someone was morbidly obese (a medical term of art, by the way, as opposed to, say, fat) or a dwarf (also a medical term of art, as compared to, say, midget), or a morbidly obese dwarf (a combination of medical terms of art, as compared to, say, very short and very fat).

Your breakthrough as an author for LCT is showing through, Michael. The problem with censorship is that it is always betrayed by bias - ALWAYS.

For those of you who missed the deleted post - too bad. You need to sign on more frequently.

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Originally posted by Viperion Corporation / Limos.com:
People,

Let me remind you that derogatory remarks about people are not accepted. Someone's ethnic background, their weight, their height, or anything "ad hominem" (explicit or implicit) is not relevant nor tolerable.

Everyone's been pretty good and I haven't had to delete posts in months. Lets keep it that way!

THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
Cheers

Michael

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James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

[This message was edited by JHJ on July 14, 2003 at 07:59 PM.]

[This message was edited by JHJ on July 14, 2003 at 08:03 PM.]

Excuse me for any ignorance, but who is Jose Greco?

People,

Let me remind you that derogatory remarks about people are not accepted. Someone's ethnic background, their weight, their height, or anything "ad hominem" (explicit or implicit) is not relevant nor tolerable.

Everyone's been pretty good and I haven't had to delete posts in months. Lets keep it that way!

THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
Cheers

Michael

To those NLA directors who still think no one browses the forums on limos.com, this subject had 95 views in the first three days (as of about noon today), and 167 as of 5:00 PM. The first three days were over a weekend.

Does anybody wonder why NLA is going down the crapper when there are so many people interested in the shenaningans there?

P.S. I wrote and posted this note and at 5:05 PM there were 174 - 7 more in 5 minutes.

James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

What was it J. Luff said it cost? Wasn't it less than $2000 ???

Maybe Tommy should start a "Quote of The Day" on the NLA site. Then at least we could keep up with what the story is at a given point in time.

Yes, the inconsistancies are starting get to me too

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Originally posted by Wade Randolph:
I just got off the phone with Tom Mazza. He informed me that the NLA board is not interested in our idea of making a generic commercial. He also told me that he sent a fax blast to companies last year and only got $12,000 in commitments to this project. He cannot make a decison without the board's approval. He also told me that most of the top 75 operators are late paying their dues. So it seems our idea is at the bottom of the list so to speak. We might have to form our own committee and go this alone if enough are interested.

Wade Randolph

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Matt Harrison
AAA Guaranteed On-Time Limousine, Clinton NJ

Well said NoName perhaps the Cookie is starting to crumble???

David E. Merrill

Did you ask which side of his mouth he was talking thru this time???

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Originally posted by Wade Randolph:
I received a call from Tom today explaining that he made a mistake telling me the majority of the top 75 operators were delinquent in their dues to the NLA. He now says that the majority have paid their dues.

Wade Randolph

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I would imagine that after you posted that conversation, Solombrino called and did a Jose Greco all over his body.

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Originally posted by Wade Randolph:
I received a call from Tom today explaining that he made a mistake telling me the majority of the top 75 operators were delinquent in their dues to the NLA. He now says that the majority have paid their dues.

Wade Randolph

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James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com