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Where is the Leadership of the West Florida Livery Association and the Florida Ground Transportation Association when a few courageous limousine owners single handedly take on the regulatory nightmare called the Hillsborough County Public Transportation Commission? Three major lawsuits are pending and only dead silence arises from Associations who are supposed to represent the interests of the Limousine Industry.
These two Tampa Associations are nothing more than talking Taxi Heads who have sold out their members to the Taxi Cartel in Tampa. While the Limousine Industry crashes and burns in Tampa, the limousine association leadership remains silent. Useless puppets whose strings are pulled by the TLPA. These same puppets are against a statewide permit and would never allow one to pass. Who do they represent, Taxis or Limousines? To get the full story and the truth, log on to www.hcptc.com

Yep & these commie days are nearing an end.

Today was the first public meeting since the "Not Guilty" court ruling. I am most anxious to see if any Reps from the WFLA had the guts to inquire about this ruling & the reply from the Executive Director. The minutes should be published in a day or two.

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Communist comments...

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Originally posted by gunny:
"We're supposed to be dealing with need and necessity, and we are not a free enterprise vehicle".

"Well, I just want to say that this - you know is not a free marketplace".

"Commissioner Frank has agood point in terms of protecting competition in our county".

"I think it's our challenge to make sure that businesses in our county survive".

"It's almost like tariffs. If you don't live in Hillsborough County, you can't come in".

"I just don't like granting that particular applicant or that particular county a monopoly on people coming to our airport and leaving our airport and leaving Hillsborough County Lines".

Now this sampling of public remarks by Hillsborough Commissioners regarding attempts to restrict intrastate motor carriers that falls under antitrust laws as well as a host of other laws regarding conspiracies of restricting trade & monopolizing.
Who sits in on all these meetings with a closed mouth.? Hillsborough County Attorney Gregg Johnson.

A little nasty rumor is going around. That rumor is, whereas a minimum of 6 Florida State Senators and countless Representatives have been assaulted by the Dirty 1/2 Dozen (yeah I be one) and they are looking at a special district (HCPTC) that it created getting body slammed over and over in the courts (with the big case still to come) and now are evaluating the transportation Industry on a Statewide level. Some no good, lousy, in the background local associations are going to play army (sorry Dick)and try and play clean-up action after the initial assault is accomplished & try to grab the glory of victory.

Mind you, just a nasty rumor.

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DON'T PUT UP WITH MALFEASANCE EVER or you will receive the short end of the stick....

Called COURAGE & INTEGRITY

Something self centered, whats in it for me, cowardly pigs will go to their graves wishing they displayed a little of during their brief time span.

Some leave their mark & some just a brown stain.

"To know what is right & not do it is the worst cowardice" Confucius

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Wade will remember this one : Circa 1983 IT WAS KNOWN : That A certain City Regulator had the very best tailored suits big bucks could buy on a small city salary. Someone-Vader or.... ? was paying for this. Money doesn't grow on trees ! The thing is this : Remember in junior high the power-mad goofy-looking/acting kids who tried to take over the classroom ? They are still around and must be tracked, busted, and sent packing . DON'T PUT UP WITH MALFEASANCE EVER or you will receive the short end of the stick....Livery is survival of the fittest, my friend.

"Out-Of-County Vehicles should not be allowed to enter Hillsborough County with customers"
Dave Shaw, President WFLA 25 May 2006

A true intrastate motor carrier rights activist.

To call him a retard is too kind!

Read the transportation laws Davey. A good one to fly the banner of the National Lackey Association.

You WFLA boys get ready, I just kicked in the doors of the Florida DOT & we are getting ready to issue subpoenas putting DOT on the hot seat as to why they are not regulating nonpublic sector bus safety pursuant to to Florida Statute & not enforcing intrastate transportation laws upon local regulatory entities. No one at DOT seems to have an answer and now they will be forced to answer under oath. Amazing what can be done when a lawsuit is in play Davey. Question is, who is my next target?

Ch316.70 Nonpublic sector buses; safety rules.--
( 1 ) The Department of Transportation shall establish and revise standards to assure the safe operation of nonpublic sector buses, as defined in s. 316.003( 78 ), which standards shall be those contained in 49 C.F.R. parts 382, 385, and 390-397 and which shall be directed towards assuring that:

( a ) Nonpublic sector buses are safely maintained, equipped, and operated.

When the word "shall" is written into law it means, "you will". The DOT has conveniently allowed locals to regulate motor carriers & jurisdictions that do not, oh well & turned their back on violations of intrastate transportation laws. Now they can explain their dereliction to a Judge.

Want to bet there will be a stronger presence of DOT at ports of entry pulling vehicle inspections in the near future?

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What this politico was alluding to is that there are enough taxis & limos in Tampa to provide return transfers to the residents of outlying counties. That these travelers should dial 411 & make return arrangements through Tampa based providers & not their local ones. In other words, restrict the intrastate carrier in favor of creating monopolies under color of law.

Free Enterprise. Not in Hillsborough County, FL.

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Originally posted by ziggyburd:

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Originally posted by gunny:
"We're supposed to be dealing with need and necessity, and we are not a free enterprise vehicle".

Is the need of money part of it? Price fixing?

The only need, should be the need for statewide regulation.

What this politico was alluding to is that there are enough taxis & limos in Tampa to provide return transfers to the residents of outlying counties. That these travelers should dial 411 & make return arrangements through Tampa based providers & not their local ones. In other words, restrict the intrastate carrier in favor of creating monopolies under color of law.

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Originally posted by gunny:
"We're supposed to be dealing with need and necessity, and we are not a free enterprise vehicle".

Is the need of money part of it? Price fixing?

The only need, should be the need for statewide regulation.

"We're supposed to be dealing with need and necessity, and we are not a free enterprise vehicle".

"Well, I just want to say that this - you know is not a free marketplace".

"Commissioner Frank has agood point in terms of protecting competition in our county".

"I think it's our challenge to make sure that businesses in our county survive".

"It's almost like tariffs. If you don't live in Hillsborough County, you can't come in".

"I just don't like granting that particular applicant or that particular county a monopoly on people coming to our airport and leaving our airport and leaving Hillsborough County Lines".

Now this sampling of public remarks by Hillsborough Commissioners regarding attempts to restrict intrastate motor carriers that falls under antitrust laws as well as a host of other laws regarding conspiracies of restricting trade & monopolizing.
Who sits in on all these meetings with a closed mouth.? Hillsborough County Attorney Gregg Johnson.

It's called having a set. The PTC has turned the people into mush for brains.

Bringing this back on topic:

New York is getting ready to turn into another Forida with multiple permitting the would strangle intrastate movements. Unlike the heros in Florida, the Black Car Assistance group along with the Nassau/Suffolk Limo Assoc. jumped on the issue for State intervention & now the Commissioner of the Nations largest for-hire agency (NYTLC) has thrown in support calling for State Legislation to be drawn up preventing multiple registrations for intrastate providers.

What has the Florida Associations done to alleviate this problem that has been ongoing for many years? Nothing!

Has the President of the WFLA stood in front of the Taxi Cartel led Hillsborough Commission & questioned their unlawful registration practices levied upon intrastate carriers?

Has the President of the WFLA protested the Commissioners call to prevent intrastate carriers from entering Tampa to load passengers?

Has the President of the WFLA pushed for reciprocity agreements with areas like Orlando?

No, NO & No

The President of the WFLA instead pushes for higher insurance minimums on sedans.

Lee Harvey, where are you?

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Originally posted by ziggyburd:

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"I just don't like granting that particular applicant or that particular county a monopoly on people coming to our airport and leaving our airport and leaving Hillsborough County Lines".

Gunny what change their minds to allow more people from other counties? Most of the compaines the PTC regulate live outside of Hillsborough County.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The HCPTC is an Independent Special District & is reliant on extorting monies for financial solvency.

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"I just don't like granting that particular applicant or that particular county a monopoly on people coming to our airport and leaving our airport and leaving Hillsborough County Lines".

Gunny what change their minds to allow more people from other counties? Most of the compaines the PTC regulate live outside of Hillsborough County.

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Originally posted by ziggyburd:
Some of the problems have nothing to do with the FL Statutes that have been quoted here. The real problem is the methods they employ. Over regulation, or should I say selected regulation is the problem. They turn a blind eye to companies that carry the mark of protection. A.K.A. = The sticker.

Why were people like Gunny and myself targeted? Because we did not have a sticker.

In enforcing the special act, they can not break any other FL Statutes.

That simply means, what law did I break that gave you the LEGAL RIGHT to stop and question us?

The problems are not over-regulation of intrastate motor carriers it is called "unlawful regulation" as in no statutory authority to do such.

Words from a New Yorker that applies everywhere:
"Government should do everything it can to encourage intrastate and interstate for-hire vehicle commerce, higher uniform minimum safety standards and less bureaucracy and paperwork for all. We must remember that we are regulating businesses that serve people who wish to exercise their freedom to travel wherever they want to go - and as long as the service is good, and the vehicles and drivers are safe, everyone benefits from a free and safe flow of for-hire transportation". M. Daus NYC TLC Commissioner

Tampa Commissioners in contrast (all regarding intrastate motor carriers):

"We're supposed to be dealing with need and necessity, and we are not a free enterprise vehicle".

"Well, I just want to say that this - you know is not a free marketplace".

"Commissioner Frank has agood point in terms of protecting competition in our county".

"I think it's our challenge to make sure that businesses in our county survive".

"It's almost like tariffs. If you don't live in Hillsborough County, you can't come in".

"I just don't like granting that particular applicant or that particular county a monopoly on people coming to our airport and leaving our airport and leaving Hillsborough County Lines".

Just a sampling....

Oh, & when did all this trash talk stop? About 2 years ago when a certain individual filed a lawsuit.

Some of the problems have nothing to do with the FL Statutes that have been quoted here. The real problem is the methods they employ. Over regulation, or should I say selected regulation is the problem. They turn a blind eye to companies that carry the mark of protection. A.K.A. = The sticker.

Why were people like Gunny and myself targeted? Because we did not have a sticker.

In enforcing the special act, they can not break any other FL Statutes.

That simply means, what law did I break that gave you the LEGAL RIGHT to stop and question us?

Sapphire, you have misread "341.102 Regulation of nonpublic sector buses" on so many levels....

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Originally posted by Sapphire:
Back on the subject of Fl Statutes...

341.102 Regulation of nonpublic sector buses
(2) ...by a nonpublic sector bus over public roads that do not overlap public transportation corridors by more than 70 percent; provided, such passengers are employees, patients, or clients of the public sector or private sector entity, and such entity has a legitimate business or governmental purpose in transporting such employees, patients, or clients; and such entity's primary business is not transportation of passengers

...A public transportation corridor consists of those public roads within one-quarter mile of, and including, existing public transportation routes.


Sorry to say Gunny,
But picking someone up at the AP and transporting home or providing transport to from concert/sporting venue, weddings, and other 'night out' activities doesn't constitute a legitimate business or governmental purpose of that public sector or private sector entity.

Think they gotcha on 'little technicalities'
But again just my POV on how I read this

Your limited experience in the transportation industry is apparent. Do you understand the difference between intrastate & intra-county?Once again you are bringing up a different statute then what I referenced. Most likely because you have no clue on how to either comprehend or understand 341.102( 1 ). Just as you don't understand what a public transportation corridor is or a contract between a transportation provider & a business concern.

Intrastate transportation laws are not enacted by Congress or State Legislatures to protect the motor carrier. They are enacted to ensure that the traveling consumer has untethered intrastate access. So that when a Hillsborough group who needs transfers to Port Canaveral finds out that Gunny's located 50 miles to the north is the closet carrier servicing Canaveral, they can charter him to provide the transfers without worrying about finding a different & perhaps more expensive alternative.

Entities like the HCPTC are local regulators whose only powers are local transportation issues not intrastate or interstate.