The Limos.com Forum Has Moved!!!

The application as a non-profit was submitted last night & the ball is rolling to form an alliance of transportation and travel professionals with one goal:

Enforcement of federal and Florida intrastate transportation statutes on the local levels to end the monopolistic ideology that permeates throughout the State of Florida.

Florida carriers intersting in joinig this alliance can contact me directly through this site or visit and contact FITA

More information to be provided as we finalize out charter.

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I do have to point out that it is just not I who is engaging the HCPTC in battle to hold their feet to the fire and apply the law evenly & for them to obey their statutory provisions to enforce the special act of the Florida Legislature.

Currently their are 2 others with federal complaints against this regulatory agency who have worked very hard and spend an incredible amount of time in researching laws and the past unlawful actions of operators & the HCPTC.

One is Moshe Leib of TBLIMO who has become a close friend & ally in this fight. As an HCPTC Certificate holder, Moshe takes time out from his business to run document requests, is involved with bringing politicos into the fray & appeared before the Legislature to oppose allowing any limousine company who has not met the licensing set forth in law into Tampa for the 2009 Super Bowl & is set to file the 2d federal complaint to ensure that the HCPTC operates strictly within the same law that they operate under the color of when they toss someone into jail.

There used to be a Tampa Operator named Guy Mongello who loved to coin the phrase "circumventing the rules" in describing those who did not bow to the rules of the HCPTC. Yet he & others sure as hell did not mind circumventing the law during the 2001 SB. Attempting to do such in 2009 will have a much broader negative impact on both the operators & the agency itself.

Bottom line, any limousine company desiring to work the Super Bowl in Tampa better have the licensing as required in law.

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Originally posted by Dean Schuler:
Speaking as a private citizen solely my take on this is that the county regulatory minions rolled over on this particular issue. THE GUNNY is exercising his right as a U.S. Citizen to hold these alleged merchants of malfeasance to the law as written. The other issue we haven't discussed is the pattern of local operators in numerous markets who are too dimwitted to market properly and subsequently cry and moan when any big event-convention or sporting or corporate comes to town and they don't get any business. We don't have a Federal American Entitlement Act that guarantees business to all regardless of their skill set in the luxury for hire business. As in baseball, it is the skill with which you perform your trade that makes all the difference. I have been there with that one-I recall a competitor that did well with the movie business events-and gave most of us nothing- and then cried and cried when a corporate event gave their firm zero yield. Guess what ? Their service wasn't good enough to consider for subcontract work. This is a skill trade-figure out how you can provide better service consistently and you will be on your way.

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Originally posted by gunny:
Every Tampa operator who for Super Bowl 2001 unlawfully had other limo companies operating under their certificate, had drivers operating vehicles under the temp permits who had neither PVDL's or Florida State Driver's Licenses and those who leased temp permits out to non-certificate holders are all subject to and will be subpeonaed in for depositions.

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Speaking as a private citizen solely my take on this is that the county regulatory minions rolled over on this particular issue. THE GUNNY is exercising his right as a U.S. Citizen to hold these alleged merchants of malfeasance to the law as written. The other issue we haven't discussed is the pattern of local operators in numerous markets who are too dimwitted to market properly and subsequently cry and moan when any big event-convention or sporting or corporate comes to town and they don't get any business. We don't have a Federal American Entitlement Act that guarantees business to all regardless of their skill set in the luxury for hire business. As in baseball, it is the skill with which you perform your trade that makes all the difference. I have been there with that one-I recall a competitor that did well with the movie business events-and gave most of us nothing- and then cried and cried when a corporate event gave their firm zero yield. Guess what ? Their service wasn't good enough to consider for subcontract work. This is a skill trade-figure out how you can provide better service consistently and you will be on your way.

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Originally posted by gunny:
Every Tampa operator who for Super Bowl 2001 unlawfully had other limo companies operating under their certificate, had drivers operating vehicles under the temp permits who had neither PVDL's or Florida State Driver's Licenses and those who leased temp permits out to non-certificate holders are all subject to and will be subpeonaed in for depositions.

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I with Gunny. It all will come out in court. This forum is not the place to beat up people that did not know the laws back then!

Every Tampa operator who for Super Bowl 2001 unlawfully had other limo companies operating under their certificate, had drivers operating vehicles under the temp permits who had neither PVDL's or Florida State Driver's Licenses and those who leased temp permits out to non-certificate holders are all subject to and will be subpeonaed in for depositions.

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I would be Not For Long if I went into detail on this question, SIR.

YES I DO SIR, BUT PLEASE TELL THE OTHERS ON THIS FORUM.

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Originally posted by Dean Schuler:
YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION SIR.

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Originally posted by TBLIMO:
Whose license did your company work under for the Super Bowl in 2001, Sir???

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Originally posted by Dean Schuler:
Not the correct target, Sir.

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Originally posted by TBLIMO:
You can start with Limo South dba Carey of Tampa Bay...

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Originally posted by gunny:
Gunny's amended Federal Complaint was filed last week.

Yes Tampa boys & girls, one of the Counts has brought Super Bowl from the webpages into federal court. Question for certain Tampa Operators is, who will be subpoenaed during the trial?

No State issues have been brought forth under this complaint as we have stuck strictly to federal & US Constitutional issues.

YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION SIR.

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Originally posted by TBLIMO:
Whose license did your company work under for the Super Bowl in 2001, Sir???

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Originally posted by Dean Schuler:
Not the correct target, Sir.

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Originally posted by TBLIMO:
You can start with Limo South dba Carey of Tampa Bay...

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Originally posted by gunny:
Gunny's amended Federal Complaint was filed last week.

Yes Tampa boys & girls, one of the Counts has brought Super Bowl from the webpages into federal court. Question for certain Tampa Operators is, who will be subpoenaed during the trial?

No State issues have been brought forth under this complaint as we have stuck strictly to federal & US Constitutional issues.

Hell call of them in. Local (Hills.), Pinellas I say, screw them all!!

Whose license did your company work under for the Super Bowl in 2001, Sir???

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Originally posted by Dean Schuler:
Not the correct target, Sir.

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Originally posted by TBLIMO:
You can start with Limo South dba Carey of Tampa Bay...

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Originally posted by gunny:
Gunny's amended Federal Complaint was filed last week.

Yes Tampa boys & girls, one of the Counts has brought Super Bowl from the webpages into federal court. Question for certain Tampa Operators is, who will be subpoenaed during the trial?

No State issues have been brought forth under this complaint as we have stuck strictly to federal & US Constitutional issues.

Not the correct target, Sir.

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Originally posted by TBLIMO:
You can start with Limo South dba Carey of Tampa Bay...

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Originally posted by gunny:
Gunny's amended Federal Complaint was filed last week.

Yes Tampa boys & girls, one of the Counts has brought Super Bowl from the webpages into federal court. Question for certain Tampa Operators is, who will be subpoenaed during the trial?

No State issues have been brought forth under this complaint as we have stuck strictly to federal & US Constitutional issues.

You can start with Limo South dba Carey of Tampa Bay...

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Originally posted by gunny:
Gunny's amended Federal Complaint was filed last week.

Yes Tampa boys & girls, one of the Counts has brought Super Bowl from the webpages into federal court. Question for certain Tampa Operators is, who will be subpoenaed during the trial?

No State issues have been brought forth under this complaint as we have stuck strictly to federal & US Constitutional issues.

Gunny's amended Federal Complaint was filed last week.

Yes Tampa boys & girls, one of the Counts has brought Super Bowl from the webpages into federal court. Question for certain Tampa Operators is, who will be subpoenaed during the trial?

No State issues have been brought forth under this complaint as we have stuck strictly to federal & US Constitutional issues.

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Originally posted by Dean Schuler:
The Gunny will win his court fights. It will be very intersting to see the people who attempt to befriend him once he has won.

My money is on the Gunny winning his out of court fights also.

The Gunny will win his court fights. The regulators in Florida showed absolutely no sense in how they dealt with a fully licensed state permitted operator. They also displayed for all to see their appalling lack of knowledge of FEDERAL LAW. It will be very interesting to see who befriends him after the fact.....

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The Green Light has been given.

2 intrastate motor carriers & another with interstate authority ( 3 Total ) have signed on to bring a Constitutional Challenge to Tampa's VFH law under that the failure to exempt motor carriers providing intrastate or interstate chartered transportation utilizing buses from the regulatory of the HCPTC violates the expressed preemption given under the Federal Authority Over Intrastate Transportation Act, Title 49 ss 14501 ( a ) ( 1 ) ( C ) which prohibits any state or subdivision of from enacting or enforcing any law, rule or regulation pertaining to the granting of authority to provide intrastate or interstate chartered bus transportation.

Specifically targeted in this complaint will be the States mandate given under ch 2001-299 Laws of Florida, that motor carriers providing transportation of passengers in Hillsborough County must obtain a certificate of public convenience and necessity with the "certificate" being defined under this act as "the granting of authority".

Any Florida motor carrier who utilizes vehicles with a capacity of 10 passengers or more in provision of intrastate or interstate chartered transportation wishing to join in on this declaratory action with injunctive relief should contact me through the FITA site prior to 20 April 2008.

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Miami, another taxicab protection racket showing true colors. Restrict market entry for sedans, set minimum pricing at 3 & 1/2 times that of taxicabs yet allow clowns as such to transport the public:
insane killer driving cabs

With Tampa's limo regulatory State Law making it a criminal offense for any limousine or small bus to travel the roadways without mandated licensure, the Tampa Independent Business Alliance (TIBA) is taking notice & showing concern over the negative impact on the business community this anti-intrastate commerce law can have.

The President of TIBA is smart enough to know that it is not the Tampa cabs or limos that bring tourist and consumers into the city to patronize businesses & venues.

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Originally posted by LIMOJESS:
I have noticed that because of all the problems going on in Florida some companies are moving out from there.

There is one limo company here from you area Gunny that have florida licence plates and operating in WA State.

What I find totally amazing is the huge percentage of TLPA & NLA Directors based in Florida & things are so farked up. If they all pushed for State regulation, Florida would have state regulation.

A couple of us were a hair away from gaining state preemption for limos providing intercounty transportation but the damn term limits took our main supporter away from us.

Imagine if the leadership jumped on the wagon.

I have noticed that because of all the problems going on in Florida some companies are moving out from there.

There is one limo company here from you area Gunny that have florida licence plates and operating in WA State.